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[rurounihime]

More bullshit about preserving the sanctity of marriage.

I'm still waiting for that Magical RebuttalTM from the "sanctity of marriage" people. You know the one I'm talking about: It will supposedly refute the challenge made to fix divorce rates, domestic abuse, spouse-ditching, child abuse, drunken marriages that get dissolved the very next day, and spousal murder BEFORE deigning to say that gay marriage impinges on the "sanctity of marriage."

What sanctity? The sanctity I see, currently, is most certainly not exclusive to heterosexual couples. It isn't confined to divisions of sexuality; marriage sanctity is a huge and rewarding effort made by both spouses, regardless of gender. And frankly, the idea that het-couples magically get to sidestep the requirements being placed on gay marriage just because they are heterosexual is the most hypocritical argument I have heard in a long time.

So. Magical Rebuttal? Let's go, people, pronto. If you seriously believe that the sanctity of marriage will be destroyed by legally recognized gay unions, you better put your money where your mouth is and prove it to me, preferably without using religious reasoning that half the people in the world don't follow or recognize anyway. That's called subjective "proof", and it doesn't apply to everyone, or even most people. If there's a scientifically acceptable reason out there, tell it to me. Because I'm really starting to believe that you HAVE no answer to that argument.

One more thing: If your sentence ends with "it just IS that way," then don't bother wasting your time using it here. You will not like the response I give you. That kind of reasoning would never hold up in a scientific journal or in a competent court of law. We're all critical thinkers. We can be mature enough not to resort to petty tantrum throwing and foot stomping.

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Comments

[luthien82]

Amen to everything you said!

*loves to live in a country where gay marriage is allowed and accepted*

Sanctity of Marriage...as if...

[lisa3353.livejournal.com]

I absolutely can't believe that you posted this, today, because I just got into an argument with my boss about this two days ago. Of course, he is perfectly fine with the "civil union" concept, but couldn't come up with one solid argument other than "that's the way it's always been". How nice that he and others like him weren't around during slavery or before women had the right to vote.

I guess what really irks me about the people who are proponents of these views is that they tend to define themselves as "pro-American" (as if I'm not), but the beauty of America is supposed to be the freedom each person has to do what is right for that person...Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness and all of that. To oppose gay marriage and keep people from having the chance to legalize their commitments simply because they don't believe in it even though it doesn't detract from their own marriages or effect them in any way is contrary to everything that America is supposed to represent. I can't think of anything more mean-spirited and judgmental. It really makes me sad. Now, I am not a huge believer in marriage, myself, because it just never seemed necessary to me to further my commitment to someone. However, simply because I don't believe in it doesn't mean that I would force my views into the legal system to effect others, and neither should anyone else.

Thank you so much for bringing this up. This has been swirling around in my head for the past two days. I am totally with you on this subject and I am interested to see if anyone can come up with some sort of logical argument against gay marriage, but it's hard to imagine.
Lisa

[phoenixacid.livejournal.com]

I totally agree with what you've said! I have many 'friends' who thinks that a marriage is a union of a female and a male. If they both happen to be of the same gender, then the sanctity of marriage will be destroyed - even if they have a more decent relationship than het couples.

If that's the case, shouldn't the problems faced by het couples (like you said)- domestic abuse, spouse-ditching, child abuse, drunken marriages- show that the sanctity of marriage has long been destroyed by het couples?

Oh.. and some of my said 'friends' reasoned that if we permit same-sex marriages, more and more people will be gay, and that the world population will decrease because guys will not have children. I was like WTF? That's the most crappiest thing I've ever heard - EVER!

Gender doesn't matter!

*agrees with Luthien82* I wish they legallize same-sex marriages n my country as well.

[fireelemental79.livejournal.com]

I flumox you wit much castrate nuggets and beg thee not to get so worked up waiting for an answer that shall never come.

WHERE IS YOU!!!! *is weeping* I want's my R-ster *is drooling*

Come to me now *is working personal magic that to summon R-ster and also magically create a constitutional ammendment that redefines marriage as being between any two human beings of a legal age* .... I say any two human beings because I'm still strictly against marriage between Martians and people.

;-p

[rubymiene.livejournal.com]

Unfortunately, "it just IS that way" is an argument commonly used in court in the US (and any court derived from the British system). The concept of stare decisis (previous decisions of law are respected as precedent and not overruled without good reason) keeps the status of the law unmoving for long periods of time, which is why legal advocates are careful to keep same-sex marriage out of the federal court. The current supreme court has been stacked so full of right-wing nutjobs that a negative decision is guarenteed, and would prevent a new court from issuing a favorable ruling for decades (That the nutjobs will still be there in decades doesn't help either).
It is truly horrifying how often petty tantrum throwing and foot stomping wins in court.

[ravenfrog.livejournal.com]

Piggy-backing on the comment that you made about perhaps it being wise to separate legal marriage and religious marriage...
Here's my take on that idea, which was posted when the state I was living in at the time (Oregon) had a "defense of (straight) marriage act" on the ballot.
http://ravenfrog.livejournal.com/14531.html

[smith-seven.livejournal.com]

hi! I realize this is an odd entry from which to do this, but I wanted to let you know that I've friended you and to introduce myself. I actually lurk here regularly, eagerly awaiting your brilliant H/D fic, but I was so riled (in a good way!) by this entry on gay marriage that I decided to comment a bit. Hope that didn't seem too weird -- where did I come from, anyway?

so, I really am just a lurker, but I wanted to say thank you for writing such great fic and that I look forward to more interesting entries from you!

Apologies for being out of subject...

[grace75.livejournal.com]

Hi Ru, sorry for intruding, but I'm not sure you got my last message and I didn't know how else to contact you. First of all, I hope you don't mind me friending your LJ. And then, my translation of "Disintegrate" is ready and online. I can give you the url, but it's password-protected and I need to give you a temporary pass, possibly by mail (My webmistresses won't like me spreading temporary passwords all over the internet without their consent...).

On the question about marriage: I live in bigot, old-fashioned country where homosexuality seems to be a sin against the universe. But in this same country, where catholics and all sort of narrow-minded people self appointed themselves as the defenders of the idea of 'family', the annual divorce rate has increased by a good 16% just in the last year. So much for the sanctity of marriage...
I don't like seeing it as a question of politics or religion, I just think that feelings are feelings and no one should feel entitled to tell other people what love is, how to love or who to love, for that matter. (Pity that in my country we have this wonderful German stand up comedian all dressed in white, that throws tantrums every so often, ranting about the true nature of love...)

Sorry, I don't want to offend anyone, but try to eat when in the 1 a.m. news there's always this sorry excuse of a religious leader spouting off nonsense...

[fragiledestiny.livejournal.com]

first: you rock. second: you are da BOMB. third: no magical rebuttal here as i'm all over what you said and then some.

i cannot believe that canadian pm stephen "podge" harper is fixing to re-open the same-sex marriage debate. after it was SETTLED and voted upon, seconded, carried and written into law. oh, but that's insufficient for monsieur harper (who is a born-again christian and right-wing fundie bootlicker to g.w. bush, esq.).

so yeah. here we fcking go again.

Amen

[sloanebueller.livejournal.com]

Jesus said 'Love your neighbor as your self'.
This is one Roman Catholic who believes wholeheartedly in Love. Love for black, pagan, prolife, Republican, you name it, I try to love it, because as a person of religion I am trying to recognise the big picture. The big picture is *not* that homosexual people desire sex with members of the same sex. The big picture is that they will build upon the phrase 'Sancity of Marriage', becasue these are people who obviously believe and want this blessing, if thier righteous protestations are anything to go on.
So, amen.