I'd pretend that I have no clue what you're talking about...but being in this fandom, that's a bit difficult. Anywho, yes, I fully agree with you.
The hypocrasy of everyone involved astounds me. Especially the "arguing" tactics of a few of those involved. I think what gets me the most is that these people are (long) out of High School. I don't mean to claim that I'm above all that...but hell, why not? I'm above all that. *shrugs* I don't understand the need to wank. But I realize that I am in the minority with that opinion.
See... I joined. BUT NOT IN THE WANKING. I think it is necessary to wank intelligently. Don't fall to swearing at and insulting everyone. Back up what you say, and don't be twitty.
I hate wanking. A lot of the time it's pathetically funny, you know? Like, oh, why are we doing this?
I fully agree with you, hence why I don't wank. I've found that only a few people are smart enough to actually, erm, wank. *laughs* Debate like adults, would be a more appropriate term. At any rate, most of the wankers respond to educated points with cruelty, snark, and pure rudeness rather than addressing them like adults, accepting the other person's opinion, and putting forth their own.
But inclusions aside, to be on the sidelines watching it all take place is rather amusing. There is plenty to laugh at, on both sides. Everyone ends up looking like an idiot, and there in lies the beauty.
Where can I get a front row seat to the fireworks? What can I say, I may not wank, but I love to watch when others do. I'm nosey, and I freely admit it. If you're gonna post something that ambiguous, linkage would be good... :-) Hugs you! We're glad you're okay, and hope things at work settle down very very soon so's you don't stress out. That's never a good thing.
You know, emcue pointed out today that wank happens in real life too. One person is always saying something catty and 12 years old about another person, go to any office that is mostly women and you'll see it. I don't know if men do it or not. I think they feel like what's the point.
You know, it's been my experience that women tend to be more catty than men. Of course, I don't know nearly as many guys as I do girls, but the way women and girls interact sometimes... just makes me shudder and want to smack them.
Hey hey!! I'm still reading the essay. I think whoever could have made it less offensive (calling H/Hr shippers'motherfuckers might have been a tacticall error ^^) and it's a bit long. We get it, really.
And at some point he speaks... let me see, um... "The trio is composed of intricate characters, and each have the capacity for more than tragic, misbegotten, unfounded love and righteous anger". That. What do you think of that, and wanna discuss Harry Potter as a book?
*mutters* Intrincate characters? what has he been smoking?
I like the essay, mostly because it was well put together. Sign of a good convincing argument... being able to back it up. So right away that got my attention.
I would love to discuss HP as a book. Be aware that I am much too interested in it as a lit major and I tend to go off a lot though. Just a warning. ^_~
And I agree: the characters could certainly be a lot more intricate. Right now I have seen little that makes me think they will be any more than the stereotypical sorts of characters... which is not to say that it is BAD to be that way. Certainly not. They are very entertaining characters, and they mesh well together and respond to each other very believably. The fifth book has started to make me hope that maybe JK will be giving more depth to each character, but I will have to wait and see.
The essay was very good. I think the arguments speak for themselves, in such a way the H/Hr shippers, besides being pissed, could do nothing to shoot it down. Still, the people involved took it a bit too seriously to be much fun. I think we ought to convert them to boy sex ^_~
And rant away! Even if my strong suit are movies, I can analize books worth something, and it's always interesting to listen to someone that knows what she is doing. I like to take things appart a bit too much, so if you go at it by the pice, all the better for me ^_^
And the characters... well, I like Harry Potter, but by now Harry has grown quite a bit and his perspective hasn't changed that much since he was 11. His view of the world is so simple that I'm left craving a bit of complot, a bit of lies and deceit, power struggles and politics. And I'm feeling the lack of a brilliant bad guy, too. It's fun, but, there's too many empty spaces, and that's probably why so many good fanfickers are into this fandom; they have a lot of space to move around.
Well... that. Start with your analissis and I'll tell you what I think. Oh!! And I have to confess I haven't finished OotP #^^# It got here once I had been severely spoiled (I had to wait for the spanish version, released about 6-8 months after the english one), then I had to wait until it blew over, because I wasn't going to pay a small fortune for it and then... well ^^ I bought it bout' 5 months ago, but the Pendragon Cicle and Isaac Asimov I loove just a bit more.
Sorry this took me so long. RL has been giving me a pain in the neck.
Ahaha, yeah, okay, I will try not to spoil anything for you concerning book 6 then. Oh, it was good though. Really fulfilled some things for me, and on top of that, I got to ponder a well-crafted mystery again so that was nice.
One of the main issues I have with Harry Potter is the cliche aspect of it. Book six does a lot to alleviate that particular issue, but I totally hear you about the lack of a brilliant bad guy. Voldemort scared me so much in book four, as did Bellatrix, but then in five they just... got whiny. And annoying. And not nearly as frightening. I think Voldemort gains some of that back in book 6, but Bella... Hmm.
There are things in book 6 that really bothered me from a writing standpoint, but I don't know how much I can say here... *bites nails* It's a humdinger of a climax and I wouldn't want to ruin it for you. But there is definitely a change in style, at least as far as the plots and intrigues and deceit goes. If I am right about one particular aspect of the story, then I applaud JK for going out on an EXTREMELY shaky limb. It's wonderful.
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Date: 2005-07-14 06:55 pm (UTC)From:The hypocrasy of everyone involved astounds me. Especially the "arguing" tactics of a few of those involved. I think what gets me the most is that these people are (long) out of High School. I don't mean to claim that I'm above all that...but hell, why not? I'm above all that. *shrugs* I don't understand the need to wank. But I realize that I am in the minority with that opinion.
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Date: 2005-07-14 07:16 pm (UTC)From:I hate wanking. A lot of the time it's pathetically funny, you know? Like, oh, why are we doing this?
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Date: 2005-07-14 07:18 pm (UTC)From:I fully agree with you, hence why I don't wank. I've found that only a few people are smart enough to actually, erm, wank. *laughs* Debate like adults, would be a more appropriate term. At any rate, most of the wankers respond to educated points with cruelty, snark, and pure rudeness rather than addressing them like adults, accepting the other person's opinion, and putting forth their own.
But inclusions aside, to be on the sidelines watching it all take place is rather amusing. There is plenty to laugh at, on both sides. Everyone ends up looking like an idiot, and there in lies the beauty.
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Date: 2005-07-14 07:20 pm (UTC)From:WTF?
Date: 2005-07-14 07:13 pm (UTC)From:Re: WTF?
Date: 2005-07-14 07:17 pm (UTC)From:After this lovely essay.
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Date: 2005-07-14 09:13 pm (UTC)From:Anyhow, it is of the stupid.
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Date: 2005-07-15 07:43 pm (UTC)From:no subject
Date: 2005-07-15 06:58 am (UTC)From:And at some point he speaks... let me see, um... "The trio is composed of intricate characters, and each have the capacity for more than tragic, misbegotten, unfounded love and righteous anger". That. What do you think of that, and wanna discuss Harry Potter as a book?
*mutters* Intrincate characters? what has he been smoking?
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Date: 2005-07-15 07:47 pm (UTC)From:I would love to discuss HP as a book. Be aware that I am much too interested in it as a lit major and I tend to go off a lot though. Just a warning. ^_~
And I agree: the characters could certainly be a lot more intricate. Right now I have seen little that makes me think they will be any more than the stereotypical sorts of characters... which is not to say that it is BAD to be that way. Certainly not. They are very entertaining characters, and they mesh well together and respond to each other very believably. The fifth book has started to make me hope that maybe JK will be giving more depth to each character, but I will have to wait and see.
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Date: 2005-07-16 08:09 pm (UTC)From:And rant away! Even if my strong suit are movies, I can analize books worth something, and it's always interesting to listen to someone that knows what she is doing. I like to take things appart a bit too much, so if you go at it by the pice, all the better for me ^_^
And the characters... well, I like Harry Potter, but by now Harry has grown quite a bit and his perspective hasn't changed that much since he was 11. His view of the world is so simple that I'm left craving a bit of complot, a bit of lies and deceit, power struggles and politics. And I'm feeling the lack of a brilliant bad guy, too. It's fun, but, there's too many empty spaces, and that's probably why so many good fanfickers are into this fandom; they have a lot of space to move around.
Well... that. Start with your analissis and I'll tell you what I think. Oh!! And I have to confess I haven't finished OotP #^^# It got here once I had been severely spoiled (I had to wait for the spanish version, released about 6-8 months after the english one), then I had to wait until it blew over, because I wasn't going to pay a small fortune for it and then... well ^^ I bought it bout' 5 months ago, but the Pendragon Cicle and Isaac Asimov I loove just a bit more.
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Date: 2005-07-30 10:50 am (UTC)From:Ahaha, yeah, okay, I will try not to spoil anything for you concerning book 6 then. Oh, it was good though. Really fulfilled some things for me, and on top of that, I got to ponder a well-crafted mystery again so that was nice.
One of the main issues I have with Harry Potter is the cliche aspect of it. Book six does a lot to alleviate that particular issue, but I totally hear you about the lack of a brilliant bad guy. Voldemort scared me so much in book four, as did Bellatrix, but then in five they just... got whiny. And annoying. And not nearly as frightening. I think Voldemort gains some of that back in book 6, but Bella... Hmm.
There are things in book 6 that really bothered me from a writing standpoint, but I don't know how much I can say here... *bites nails* It's a humdinger of a climax and I wouldn't want to ruin it for you. But there is definitely a change in style, at least as far as the plots and intrigues and deceit goes. If I am right about one particular aspect of the story, then I applaud JK for going out on an EXTREMELY shaky limb. It's wonderful.